Curse

ange1 · Jun 14, 2006, 11:03 AM // 11:03

air of enchantment, so badly worded

Gaile Gray · Jun 17, 2006, 07:26 PM // 19:26

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Originally Posted by CoRrRan

Grammatical: a lot of skilldescriptions have the following use of periods, commas and quotation marks:

... "evaded."
... "blocked,"

*confused* Quotation marks are always outside of commas and periods, so that looks perfectly fine to me. Am I missing something? Maybe I need the full description to understand better.

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Originally Posted by CyberNigma

Also, to Gaile, is there a reason for the differences in the wording of Knight's Armor components? Various languages (unless it was recently corrected) mention that it reduces damage TO THIS SPOT, whereas in the English version it does not say that. According to tests conducted by other people on the forums the English one seems to be correct, unless the armor was bugged itself. If this is correct in English, then maybe this will help fix the wording on the other languages that are incorrect. I believe Spanish was the same, but some of the other European languages had 'on this spot' as translated.

Excellent point. I believe that Knight's and Ascalon Armor were bugged, may still be bugged. Let me inquire about that.

Thanks to all of you for the feedback so far. Please continue to add your input on this, as we're very interested in clarification and correction, when it's necessary! It would be helpful if you would please include the wording that you feel is in error, rather than simply commenting that something is poorly worded. If you're able and willing to do that, the review and correction process will go more quickly and smoothly!

Former Ruling · Jun 17, 2006, 08:28 PM // 20:28

One of the MAJOR things in the game is the inconsistency in wording of various skills that work similarly.

Warrior:
Cyclone Axe - "all adjacent opponents." Since when did you use the word 'opponents' instead of 'foes'. Every other skill in the game refers to them as 'foes'.
All Deep Wound Causing attacks except Swift Chop - "suffers from Deep Wound, lowering your target's maximum Health by 20% for [x] seconds." This can be shortened to just "suffers Deep Wound for [x] seconds." No other skills actually explain what the condition they cause does - why should these?

Belly Smash - "...strikes a foe that is on the ground, the resulting dust cloud..." All of that filler garbage can be shortened to simply "...strikes a foe that is knocked down, your target and all adjacent foes are blinded for [x] seconds." No other skill trys to rationalize WHY they cause a condition with a story.

Fierce Blow - The desp. is backwards compared to other similar effects. They usually read out like "If it hits, you deal +[x] damage. If it strikes a foe suffering from Weakness, you deal +[x] damage".

"I Will Survive" - again the desp. doesn't match with similar skills. Should just say "For [x] seconds, for each condition you are suffering you gain +3 Health Regeneration"

Signet of Strength - "Your next [x] attack deals +5 damage". Since the number of attacks can be more than one, you should put "Your next [x] attack(s) deal +5 damage." to signify that there can be more than 1 attack effected.

Savage Slash - "extra damage." every other skill in the game says "additional damage" or "+[x] damage." Just a wording inconsistency.

Drunken and Desperation Blow - Same skill, except one of them as a comma before "and your target suffers" and the other doesn't. Pick one or the other....

Ranger:
Bestial Mauling - It has already been discussed, but this skill claims to do something that is impossible to achieve in the game. It claims to interupt a knocked down foe, but in this game, if a foe is knocked down they cannot be casting anything or attacking.

Revive Animal - Wording inconsistency again. Should just say "...animal companions with [x]% Health"

Archer's Signet - Just like Signet of Strength, since more than 1 attack can be effected "bow attack" should be noted as "bow attack(s)"

Broad Head Arrow - "You shoot a Broad Head Arrow that moves slower than normal." That is very vague as to what it actually does, because what it actually does is just give the arrow a high flight arch (much like a flatbow).

Savage Shot - "you strike for [x] damage." Should say "additional damage."

All Spirits - Some specifically say "Non-Spirit creatures" get effected by it, and some do not. This was fine last year, but ever since last August, spirits were changed to where NONE of them effected each other. So this extra wording on some spirits is now an inconsistency.

Antidote Signet - "Cleanse" is a wording inconsistency, and it does not accurately tell which conditions it cures (it cures more than those three).

I'll post alittle later on the other classses, this post is quite long.

Gaile Gray · Jun 17, 2006, 08:54 PM // 20:54

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Originally Posted by Former Ruling

I'll post alittle later on the other classses, this post is quite long.

It may be a long post, but it's golden. If I could give you a Cookie of Gratitude, I would do so! This is precisely the sort of information we are seeking, in both English and in Localized languages as well. Thanks!

Shyft the Pyro · Jun 17, 2006, 09:02 PM // 21:02

Not skill fixes, but minor annoying textual inconsistencies.

1) In the "Captured" quest description that shows up in the quest log, there is a line about "an imperial guardsmen"

2) One of the Homeless Canthans who are part of the "Luxury Goods" quest uses a "~" instead of a "-" in his greeting speech

3) Jamei uses her "We shouldn't stand around too long or Cynn will get riled up" speech bubble even if Cynn is not in the party

Minor things like this are really annoying to me because I edit a literary magazine at my college and it's effectively my job to look for them there

EDIT: Remembered some old, Prophecies ones that never got fixed.

1) In Abaddon's Mouth, the bonus NPC says in her speech bubble that she's heading east, while in reality the location she's trying to reach - and the location she walks to - is west.

2) In the final cutscene in Hell's Precipice, Glint says something along the lines of "Unless you wish to share [the Lich's] fate, then I suggest you make a run for it." Then should be removed from the above phrase, and from Master Togo's similar phrase in the final cutscene for Zen Daijun mission: "If this means what I think it means, then we could all be in great danger."

I understand it might not be as easy to fix cutscenes as it is to fix speech bubbles and skill descriptions. I've found more than just the above over the course of my gameplay, so I'll post anything else that I find or remember (other than the obvious discrepancies between the boss and item names in Sorrow's Furnace and the like).

Former Ruling · Jun 17, 2006, 10:26 PM // 22:26

Now the next two classes (didnt want to double post)

Monk:
Divine Healing - Says "for [x] points." For consistency, should say "for [x] Health."

Spell Shield - (this information is from a friend) Supposedly when a spell fails to target you because of this, The same SpellBreaker message pops up (spell fails because of spellbreaker or whatever) when it is this spell, not SpellBreaker, that is causing the spell to fail. <I'll Test this in a scrimmage or soemthing.

Unyeilding Aura - Alot can be done to tame this massive desp. In the first sentence replace the bring back to life part with Ressurect target party member (this also makes it consistent with other resurrection spells). Second part, you can say "If this enchantment is removed in any way" instead of going into the different ways it can be removed (stop maintaining or stripped).

Watchful Spirit - Small fix, but "That ally" should be changed to "Target Ally" to be consistent with other skills.

Healing Light - "has an enchantment" should be changed to "is under the effects of an enchantment" or consistency reasons, and because as it is written now it can be misinterpreted as you gain the energy if they have an enchantment on there skillbar.

Restore Life - the bit about "return to life" should be "Resurrect target party member".

Amity - Horrible wording. This is the type of skill you wanted to hear about. It implies that the foe is only under the hex if he is adjacent to you (like if he moves he can attack again), and the second sentence can make alittle more sense. Something like "Adjacent foes are Hexed with Amity for [x] seconds and cannot attack. Amity ends if foe hexed in this way takes damage." The first sentence is not a inconsistency because some Elementalist hexes are worded like that also, and I refrained from using "that foe" in the second sentence.

Mend Ailment/Condition, Restore Condition, and Purge Conditions - Already discussed, but since they heal any condition (unlike Antidote Signet) there is no reason to list all of them off in the desp. (Purge Signet and the new spell, Extinquish, don't list them all off)

Reverse Hex - "inflicted injury" is a weird way to put it "that damage" or "inflicted damage" is a much more consistent wording.

Balthazar's Spirit - The Adrenaline part is very underexplained. It goes at length to tell you about the adrenaline bonus increasing, but doesn't say by how much or anything.

Light of Dwayna - Can be shortened to one sentence, "Ressurect all dead party members in the area with 25% Health and 0 energy"

Necromancer:

Blood Ritual - Discussed over and over. A simple "Target other ally" is in order.

Dark Fury - Well, atleast this one finally tells you how much adrenaline it gives, but it is not "nearby" range like it implies. and has a >4 or 50% success req.

Life Siphon and Life Transfer - Inconsistency between their skill desps. I think Life Siphon's is much better worded, so change Life Transfer to Siphon's wording "and you gain +[x] Health regeneration."

Oppresive Gaze - I think it can be worded better, like "Target foe and adjacent foes take [x] damage. Steal up to [x] health from foes suffering from Weakness."

Deathly/Vampiric Swarm - "flies out slowly" isn't a good way to show that theres a wait inbetween you casting the spell and the damage being done.

Defile/Des Enchantments - the conditional damage should be noted as "additional" damage for consistency.

Several "Plague" Skills - they refer to "negative" conditions. Seeings as ALL conditions are "negative" this adjective isn't needed.

Aura of the Lich - the way its worded ("lose half") it implies that it just damages you for half of your health, it should be worded as "Your maximum Health is reduced by half."

Rising Bile - Worded differently than similar skills. Should say "For 30 seconds, target foe is hexed with Rising Bile." (then it matches with things like Shatterstone) Saying it does nothing is alittle mean.

Stabber · Jun 17, 2006, 10:31 PM // 22:31

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/List_of_skill_anomalies

Shyft the Pyro · Jun 17, 2006, 10:46 PM // 22:46

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Originally Posted by Former Ruling

Spell Shield - (this information is from a friend) Supposedly when a spell fails to target you because of this, The same SpellBreaker message pops up (spell fails because of spellbreaker or whatever) when it is this spell, not SpellBreaker, that is causing the spell to fail.

This seems to have been introduced as a blanket catch-all in Factions. The same message pops up when you try to target an assassin with Shadow Form up, when you try to put an enchanment on a target hexed with Shadow Shroud, and when you try to cast a spell in The Deep while under the effect of the Aspect of Failure.

If the above is true and "spell breaker" is now a "category" rather than a "skill," it would be nice to see this information reflected somewhere.

Former Ruling · Jun 17, 2006, 11:17 PM // 23:17

Learned alittle from that page (just the Divine Spirit + Air thing)

I also totally forgot to mention Dust Trap. Dust Trap is a weird one...Its "Earth" damage is actually armor ignoring, and for some reason its the only one out of the chapter 1 traps where you can see the damage dealt.

Mesmer:

Complicate - "if that action was to use a Signet" is worded differently than similar spells (if that action was a spell, instead of if that action was casting a spell.)

Signet of Disruption - Last part could be worded better. "If that foe is Hexed, Signet of Disruption can interupt any skill."

Unnatural Signet - It breaks the tradition of skills refering to themselves in the third person. should be "Unnatural Signet recharges instantly."

Illusionary Weaponry - You don't "deal no damage" (implies a 0 popping up) - you don't even hit in melee.

Mantra of Signets - "Instantly" is a more consistent term.

Channeling - "from" implies that you steal the energy. Should be changed to "for"

Epidemic - The same "negative" condition thing.

(Congrats to Mesmer skills for making more sense)

Elementalist:
Ride the Lightning - only says you "ride the lightning" to their location. This should be identified as a shadow step, so it isn't confused with teleporting.

Crystal Wave/Ten. Crystals - heres that "negative" condition thing again. It seems ot be random whether they are called Conditions or negative Conditions in skill desps....

Incendary Bonds - maybe change "target foe" to "target Hexed foe"

Hmm...Couldn't find much on the Elementalist either.

CyberNigma · Jun 18, 2006, 07:26 AM // 07:26

Another one I came across (and started a thread about), I guess belongs here..

Guardsman Zing-something in Kaineng Center. He stands atop the exclusive area you get to after re-entering Kaineng from Divine Path. His dialog reads as follows:

We have business in the exclusive area.

Once you select this, you are sent to the general area, FROM the exclusive area. Is this a mis-wording or does this guardsman actually belong in the general area providing access to the exclusive area for those that have already finished the game?

Shyft the Pyro · Jun 19, 2006, 05:29 PM // 17:29

Found a new one.

This is what Hylas told my male PC in the explorable Unwaking Waters (emphasis mine):

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Oh no you don't. I can't let you pass. As a Kurzick, Shyft The Pyro is not allowed into the Jade Sea, not to mention she wouldn't last a turn of the sun out there. Yeah, I know all about the "truce," but my captain says we still must not allow Kurzicks to travel unchecked through our lands. I'm sorry, but I have my orders.

The other, Kurzick NPC in Unwaking Waters uses "you" rather than gender-specific pronouns, so replacing "she" with "you" in the above would work.

Shyft the Pyro · Jun 19, 2006, 08:56 PM // 20:56

Found another inconsistency in Divine Path. The adepts who give green items for Amulet of the Mists show some items with diverging requirements and benefits. For example, Adept of Illusion carries the following Wayward Wands:

1) Chaos Dmg: 11-22 (Requires 9 Domination Magic)
Halves skill recharge of Domination Magic spells (Chance: 20%)
Energy +5 (while Health is above 50%)

2) Chaos Dmg: 11-22 (Requires 9 Illlusion Magic)
Halves skill recharge of Illusion Magic spells (Chance: 20%)
Energy +5 (while Health is above 50%)

3) Chaos Dmg: 11-22 (Requires 9 Domination Magic)
Halves skill recharge of Inspiration Magic spells (Chance: 20%)
Energy +5 (while Health is above 50%)

4) Chaos Dmg: 11-22 (Requires 9 Illusion Magic)
Halves skill recharge of Inspiration Magic spells (Chance: 20%)
Energy +5 (while Health is above 50%)

Are #3 and #4 supposed to require an attribute that differs from the attribute they enhance?

The same problem is present with Adept of Bone and Adept of Light.

eudas · Jun 19, 2006, 10:14 PM // 22:14

There is a cut scene in Sunjiang District, I believe, where (again, IIRC) Master Togo says "up" when it should be "us".

eudas

Aera · Jun 19, 2006, 11:02 PM // 23:02

Arcane Mimicry:
For 20 seconds, Arcane Mimicry becomes the elite spell from target other ally.

It's confusing. The way I read it, it disables target ally's elite skil for 20 secondsl.
Suggestion: For 20 seconds, Arcane Mimicry is replaced by target ally's elite spell.

Carinae · Jun 20, 2006, 05:54 PM // 17:54

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Arcane Echo - Enchantment Spell
If you cast a "spell" in the next 20 seconds, Arcane Echo is replaced with that spell for 20 seconds. Arcane Echo ends prematurely if you use a non-spell skill.

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Echo {Elite} - Enchantment Spell
For 20 seconds, Echo is replaced with the next skill you use. Echo acts as this skill for 20 seconds.

These two are identical except that AE only works on 'spells' and has clause on ending with a skill, yet their wording is very different.

Suggestion:

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Arcane Echo - Enchantment Spell
For 20 seconds, Arcane Echo is replaced with the next spell you use. Arcane Echo acts as this spell for 20 seconds, but will end prematurely if you use a non-spell skill.

Former Ruling · Jun 20, 2006, 06:42 PM // 18:42

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Are #3 and #4 supposed to require an attribute that differs from the attribute they enhance?

Not every attribute has, or can have, a requirement thats the same as what it raises. Its nothing new. Same reason Healing Staves/wands have Divine Favor requirement. "Inspiration" isn't a valid requirement for wands apparently, so they offer wands for it with two choices of requirement.

Aera - If it said "of target ally" I'd see where you are coming from, but "from target ally" is perfect english. I do like the rewording though, be it actually needed or not.

Count to Potato · Jun 20, 2006, 06:49 PM // 18:49

If u check Arcane Theivery and Arcane Larceny on has a comma the other doesnt

Count to Potato · Jun 20, 2006, 06:54 PM // 18:54

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Originally Posted by Shyft the Pyro

This seems to have been introduced as a blanket catch-all in Factions. The same message pops up when you try to target an assassin with Shadow Form up, when you try to put an enchanment on a target hexed with Shadow Shroud, and when you try to cast a spell in The Deep while under the effect of the Aspect of Failure.

If the above is true and "spell breaker" is now a "category" rather than a "skill," it would be nice to see this information reflected somewhere.

Well, also in The Deep elite mission the aspect of failure cause all your spells to fail, but whenever u try a spell the spell breaker message pops up

Mustache Mayhem · Jun 20, 2006, 07:05 PM // 19:05

offhand I'd say splinter weapon was a confusing description.. I had to go out and test it to see if it struck both the target and adjacent or just the adjacent foes

dr_james2k · Jun 20, 2006, 07:27 PM // 19:27

Scrolls for extra experience bonuses, or scrolls as an elementalist's off hand, maybe not both.